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The Joys And Challenges Of Talking Sports At Night

“. The topics that we’re discussing have already been brushed through 5 to 6 times by the previous shows.”

Tyler McComas



I’ve always had a fascination of wanting to try and host a show during the late evening hours. There’s just a different feel behind the mic compared to the other shifts during the day. It’s more relaxed, you can be a little bit more aggressive with your topics and how you present them, the callers are a complete wildcard, anything and everything can happen during those hours which really creates a unique and fun environment.

You should have a deep appreciation for the guys that are able to entertain so many people in the late hours of the night. It’s no easy task to sit with no co-host, talk about the same topics that have been discussed for the past 12 hours, bring an energy that will keep the listener both engaged and awake, while still delivering an entertaining show with few guests. 

But as Mike North told Jonas Knox when he was set to host his first ever weekend overnight show: “Jonas, stay focused and f*cking fire away, baby.” 

That’s about as solid of advice as you can get. 

Jonas Knox – Fox Sports Radio – Friday: 11pm-3am – Saturday 1-5pm – Sunday 5-8 pm – Pacific Time

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Tyler McComas: You always want to bring energy to the show, but seeing as you’re on late Friday nights, do you want to bring even more energy during that time slot? 

Knox: Oh I think about it every single time the light goes on. I learned a long time ago from Andy Furman and Mike North that it’s all about energy. Guys like that, who have been around for as long as they have, you’d be hard-pressed to find two hosts who bring more energy. Energy can deliver your point of view in a manner that has a greater impact than if you said the same thing but in a quieter tone.

If you emphasize what your thoughts and philosophies are with a certain tone and a certain energy that can be somewhat infectious, regardless if you disagree with somebody, you appreciate the fact they’re bringing it and it doesn’t sound like they’re mailing it in.

One the most frustrating things to me is when you hear a host that sounds like they’re tired. If I’m up in the middle the night and I’m driving around, whether I’m working the graveyard shift as a security guard or I’m throwing papers as a third job or I’m driving a truck across the country, I’m working, I’m really working. I’ve got to be there, because I’ve got to make ends meet. If you can’t find it within you to muster up a little bit of energy and a little bit of excitement to talk sports for four hours, then you shouldn’t be doing this job. We are so blessed and lucky to have what we do and I hear more complaints and more frustration than I do appreciation. That part gets to me a little bit.

TM: So how do you handle the biggest story of the day or what you think is going to be your biggest segment? Do you have a designated time or just lead with your best? 

JK: I think you always open up the show with the biggest story. That’s always been my thought. If there’s a 1A and 1B story then you can maybe split up that first segment.

What I try and do is find the biggest stories, so I’m not repeating exactly what my thought is, I don’t have just one take on a story, that story has legs. The topic tree philosophy, to where you have an overarching story and you have branch off segments from each of those. I try to layer those in throughout. Just because it’s the first segment for me doesn’t mean it’s the first segment for somebody else. The first segment for somebody else could be 1:15 or 1:45.

I don’t want to be pigeonholed as just, oh he’s only built for weekend overnights. So what I’ve done and I’ve talked to my boss Scott Shapiro about it, and just said I want my show to be able to play at any time slot, but also to recognize it’s the middle the night and that you can get a little bit edgy with certain things, but still be cognizant of what the ultimate goal is, which is to place it anywhere on the network at any time.

TM: How do you approach the fact the biggest story of the day has likely been talked about for 12 hours before you go on?

JK: One of the things I think is a mistake, when you work on the weekends, people will sometimes go back to something that happened on Monday or Tuesday because it’s been their first opportunity to get a crack at it. I never do that. If there’s not a new element to that story by the time my show comes around, then I’m doing outdated stuff. Unless I have a thought on it that’s unique and a different perspective. So you do have to be a little bit open minded. But for the most part I try not to do stories that are old.

If something comes up like, oh hey, this happened on Thursday, I can say the most interesting part about this is this to me. If it’s unique and a different approach then I think I’m more open minded to it then.

Colby Powell – 107.7 The Franchise – 6-8pm – Central Time

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TM: What’s the biggest challenge of hosting a show from 6-8? 

CP: Hosting a show from 6:00 to 8:00 is so much different because every take on whatever the big story is has already been taken. It’s 6:00 and our station has been on for 12 1/2 hours. The topics that we’re discussing have already been brushed through 5 to 6 times by the previous shows. For us it’s about trying to have fun and keeping it light for people after their day of work.

We want to talk about sports, but we want to give people a reason to laugh. We don’t take ourselves too seriously. We’ll make fun of ourselves, get a little self-deprecating, all that good stuff. By the time 7:30 rolls around we’re just trying to have fun with the listener, we’re not trying to hammer OU football down their throat.

A couple of weeks ago Russell Westbrook got traded at 7:20. That’s probably the one exception where you go full sports. But other than that you’re just trying to have fun with the listener at that point of the day.

TM: What about Thunder games that start at 7:00? You’re on from 6-7 with the pregame show and then the final hour is your regular show. How do you handle those nights? 

CP: On those nights, whenever there’s a Thunder game airing on our rival station, at that point, we keep it even lighter and even more off the rails. We’re talking about fun sports stories, non-sports stories, if anything crazy in the game happens we might mention it, but our thing isn’t doing play-by-play for the on-going Thunder game.

We don’t really talk much about the basketball game while it’s going on. Whoever is with you at that point, those are the diehards and the people that listen to you regularly. We get pretty decent engagement at those times when the basketball game is on.

TM: So is the thought, well, whoever wants to watch the Thunder is probably doing so on TV? Is your goal during those times to serve the listener that doesn’t enjoy the NBA? 

CP: I should probably split it up because I was talking only about Thunder season. But let’s say it’s the last week in October and OU has a big game on Saturday but the Thunder play Friday night at 7:00. We’ll do our Thunder pregame from 6:00 to 7:00, but from 7:00-8:00 we now have the advantage of being able to hammer OU football for an hour.

The OU football fan, who hasn’t switched their brain into basketball mode yet, those people aren’t going to be listening to the basketball game, they’re going to be listening to us talk about OU football. Until December 1st that’s a huge advantage, or I should say a week later because OU wins the Heisman every year. When it’s just basketball season, we’ll talk NFL because it extends well into a basketball season. And then, of course, we’ll talk about some general NBA things, as well.

Joe Ostrowski – 670 The Score – 6-10 pm – Central Time Zone 

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TM: You have the transition segment with McNeil and Parkins before your show actually begins. Do you like being able to tease what’s happening for the next four hours on the show, seeing as it’s not during peak hours? How much does it really help?

 JO: I think it’s a good thing. If you don’t have it it’s just kind of weird, when you have that cold ending and you really don’t know what’s going on in the next show. You have this opportunity to pitch your show and you should take advantage of that.

A lot of people probably hear me during those transition segments that don’t normally listen to the show. If they like what they hear they’re going to hang out. There can even be, oh, you have a guest at this particular time that I want to hear. I’m going to make sure I tune in for that segment. It’s important to sell your show doing the few minutes that you have.

TM: Since you’re on from 6-10, have you found it harder to book guests compared to an afternoon show host? 

JO: I don’t think it’s that difficult. Most media members understand that it’s not just a 100 percent favor that they’re doing, they’re getting some publicity themselves when they come on the air. But I did forget how tough it is on Friday night to book a guest. Even if I’m the one that’s reaching out, it was always a struggle as a producer and it’s a struggle now is a show host.

It’s a Friday night so I completely understand it, so I’m not opposed to coming into studio a couple of hours before to do a pre-recorded interview. As long as it still going to be timely by the time I re-air the interview. But that’s really the only time I’ve seen it as a challenge

TM: Let’s say you’re on the air this year during a Bears game on Thursday night. How will you handle it? 

JO: (Laughs) I’ve done those shows before, I’ve gone against playoff games, NFL games, yeah, you’re up against it. This goes back to not treating your audience like they’re a bunch of idiots. They know what’s happening. But I’m not just going to sit around for four hours and focus on it the entire time, we have a sister station that broadcasts all the Bears games. But on nights like those I do have enough counter programming to get through the shows. You just have to except that not a whole lot of people are listening.

TM: What do you enjoy most about your time slot? 

JO: It’s an interesting position being, for the most part, the first show that’s really on after Cubs afternoon games. But how am I going to take a topic that’s been beat to death all day on our station and spend it with a fresh view point by the time I come on the air? That’s a challenge every day and something I certainly appreciate. 

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I Raise My Microphone to You, Vin Scully

Thank you for your graciousness and for the gift you bestowed upon all of us. I wish you a peaceful rest.



Vin Scully

“It’s time for Dodger baseball! Hi, everybody, and a very pleasant good evening to you, wherever you may be.” That’s how the legendary Vin Scully would greet countless thousands of Dodgers’ fans every time they’d watch or listen to a game. His gift was making every single listener/viewer feel like he was your buddy, the guy sitting next to you at the game or a bar or wherever. Vin made everyone feel special because that’s who he was. 

Now, unfortunately it’s time to talk about the passing of an absolute legend. Scully died earlier this week at the age of 94. Scouring Twitter and reading reactions to his death, there’s one theme I noticed. Most everyone that watched him or listened to him, Dodgers fan or not, say it feels like they’re losing a friend. Not that Vin’s career needed any validation, but to me, that’s the mark of a great broadcaster. Being there, through the ups and downs and being a trusted voice that people could rely on if they had a bad day or a great day. 

Vin’s passing leaves a void in our industry that will never again be filled. I say that, not just because he was the greatest baseball play-by-play announcer to ever crack a mic, but because he was a tremendous person. He seemingly had time for everyone. Even a green around the gills play-by-play apprentice, me. 

In 2004, when I was with the Cubs broadcast team, we made our annual trip to Los Angeles. I had been traveling with the team for a couple of years at that point, but never had the chance to meet Scully. I mentioned this in passing in the booth one afternoon. Pat Hughes, Ron Santo and our producer Matt Boltz started talking about Vin. Hughes said something to the effect of, let’s go visit him after the game. I thought nothing of it. But sure enough, after the postgame show, Pat motioned to me to come with him. I will admit, I was nervous. Out of character for myself, I didn’t know what I was going to say to him. I even had a baseball with me for him to sign. Such a geek. 

We made our way through the press dining room at Dodger Stadium and tucked away in one of the back corners was a doorway marked “Private”. Pat and I entered the private dining room for the Dodgers broadcasters and there was Vin and the rest of the crew. Pat was greeted immediately by the guys and proceeded to introduce me to everyone. He saved Vin for last. The ever-gracious Scully stood up from his chair and stuck out his hand. I’ll never forget what he said and in his dulcet tones, I can still hear it. “It’s a pleasure to meet you Andy, I understand you’ve been doing some play-by-play, how’s that going?” Floored, I managed to speak and told him that it was a work in progress, but I was happy for the chance. He told me to keep at it and shook my hand. He then noticed the baseball in my hand, and asked if I wanted him to sign it. The fanboy in me, shook my head and I still have that ball in my collection. 

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I moved on to San Diego and saw Vin numerous times. I almost literally ‘bumped’ into him before a Dodgers/Padres game at Petco Park. Vin would walk the hallways in the broadcast area to ‘warm up’ before a broadcast. I marveled at this man, who still seemingly had that nervous energy that we all experience before going on the air. He would stroll up and down humming, not loudly, but with enough volume that you could hear him. He told me that was how he exercised his voice in getting ready for a game. It was amazing to see and hear, then get the explanation. 

Scully was a decorated man, winning many awards. He was inducted into Baseball’s Hall of Fame in 1982, receiving the Ford C. Frick Award. He was given a Presidential Medal of Freedom in 2016 and had his microphone retired by the Dodgers. 

This great gentleman broadcast baseball for 67 years. Starting in Brooklyn in 1950 and finishing in Los Angeles in 2016. Scully worked for both CBS and NBC during his career and not only covered baseball, but on CBS he called NFL games from 1975-82. In his final telecast for the network, he was on the call for the NFC Championship Game, when Joe Montana hit Dwight Clark in the endzone for ‘the catch’ that put the 49ers into the Super Bowl. He also was on the network’s golf coverage as well as tennis. 

At NBC he did baseball and he did it well of course. He called four All-Star Games, four NLCS and three World Series. Scully had some memorable calls in the Fall Classic. Scully provided the call for one of baseball’s most memorable plays when Bill Buckner’s error in the 10th in Game 6 of the 1986 World Series gave the Mets an improbable win over the Red Sox:

“Little roller up along first. Behind the bag! It gets through Buckner! Here comes Knight, and the Mets win it! “

Scully also called Kirk Gibson’s famous homer during Game 1 of the 1988 World Series: 

“High fly ball into right field, she i-i-i-is … gone!”

Scully said nothing for over a minute, allowing the pictures to tell the story. Finally, he said:

“In a year that has been so improbable… the impossible has happened!”

Well before those moments, he was part of so many legendary and unforgettable calls with the Dodgers. Upon his retirement Dodgers fans voted on his greatest calls of all time. There are too many to list here, but a couple come to mind immediately. 

Scully had a flair for the English language. He would say things in a way that made the listener/viewer feel like they were right there with him. He set a scene unlike any other broadcaster. Take for example the 9th inning of Sandy Koufax’s perfect game in 1965, a 1-0 win over the Cubs at Dodger Stadium. 

When Koufax struck out Harvey Kuenn for the game’s final out, this is what Scully said to paint the picture as perfectly as Koufax painted the corners that night:

“You can almost taste the pressure now,” he said as the ninth inning got underway. ” … There are 29,000 people in the ballpark, and a million butterflies.”

“It is 9:46 p.m.,” Scully said. “Two and two to Harvey Kuenn. One strike away. Sandy into his windup, here’s the pitch … swung on and missed, a perfect game!”

There were then 38-40 seconds of nothing but crowd noise. 

“On the scoreboard in right field, it is 9:46 p.m. in the city of the angels, Los Angeles, California. And a crowd of 29,139 just sitting in to see the only pitcher in baseball history to hurl four no-hit, no-run games, and he’s done it four straight years. And now he’s capped it; on his fourth no-hitter, he made it a perfect game.”

Brilliant. Simple, yet incredible. The first of the three perfect games Scully called, took place in the 1956 World Series. Don Larsen faced the Dodgers in the Bronx and as the game went into the 9th inning, Scully epically described the tense feeling building at Yankee Stadium.

“Well, all right, let’s all take a deep breath as we go to the most dramatic ninth inning in the history of baseball,” he said.

Scully later described Yankee Stadium “shivering in its concrete foundation” as 64,517 fans hung on every pitch.

When Larsen struck out Dale Mitchell on a called third strike to end the game, Scully said, “Got him! The greatest game ever pitched in baseball history by Don Larsen, a no-hitter, a perfect game in a World Series.”

“When you put it in a World Series, you set the biggest diamond in the biggest ring,” Scully said.

Scully was the gem of the biggest kind. I’ve heard many words used to describe the man upon his passing. Gentleman, kind, warm and friendly are a few. To me, Vin always displayed class. Even as his final game in the booth for the Dodgers came to an end, he eloquently said so long:

“You know, friends, so many people have wished me congratulations on a 67-year career in baseball, and they’ve wished me a wonderful retirement with my family, and now, all I can do is tell you what I wish for you. May God give you, for every storm, a rainbow; for every tear, a smile; for every care, a promise; and a blessing in each trial. For every problem life seems, a faithful friend to share; for every sigh, a sweet song, and an answer for each prayer. You and I have been friends for a long time, but I know, in my heart, I’ve always needed you more than you’ve ever needed me, and I’ll miss our time together more than I can say. But you know what, there will be a new day, and, eventually, a new year, and when the upcoming winter gives way to spring, ooh, rest assured, once again, it will be time for Dodger baseball. So, this is Vin Scully wishing you a pleasant good afternoon, wherever you may be.”

A year after he signed off, the Dodgers advanced to the World Series for the first time in 29 years. Dodgers’ fans started a petition for him to come out of retirement and call the games on Fox. Joe Buck was even on board. Scully declined, preferring instead to lay low. “I honestly don’t feel I belong there and I would not want anyone to think I was eager for a spotlight.” Scully said. He added, “I’ve done enough of them.” 

I think any of us, that got to meet him, watch him or listen to him over the years would disagree with that last statement. You could never get enough of the great Vincent Edward Scully. Thankfully his voice lives on through audio recordings and YouTube videos to show the younger generation how it was done. And done so well for so many years. It’s always hard to say goodbye, to someone you feel like you knew, even if you never had the chance to meet him. 

Vin, I raise a microphone to you. Thank you for your graciousness and for the gift you bestowed upon all of us. I wish you a peaceful rest. And we all know where you’ll be, in our hearts and fondest memories forever.

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Nate Bukaty Didn’t Sell Himself Short

“Don’t sell yourself short,” Bukaty remembered his friend saying to him. “That’s the sentence I remember he kept saying.”

Tyler McComas



There’s an old Vin Scully video clip I can’t stop watching. It may be the most impressive example of how to do baseball play-by-play I’ve ever seen or listened to. It’s the bottom of the fourth inning at Dodger Stadium as the home team plays the rival Giants. Madison Bumgarner is on the mound for San Francisco and Scully is telling a story in the middle of the inning about how the pitcher and his wife saved a baby jackrabbit from the inside of a dead snake.

The story goes that Bumgarner and his wife ran across a rattlesnake while the two were roping cattle. They were startled, so the three-time World Series champ grabbed an ax and chopped the snake to pieces. That’s how they found the baby jackrabbit. Bumgarner’s wife brought the rabbit back to the apartment and nursed it for the next few days. Eventually, the rabbit was healthy enough to be released back into the wild.

Mind you, Scully is telling this incredible story while calling a baseball game and not missing a beat with the live action. It’s truly a spectacle of broadcasting mastery. 

Scully ends the story by saying, “Madison said, just think about how tough that rabbit was. First, it gets eaten by a snake, then the snake gets chopped to pieces, then it gets picked up by people and lives.”

Scully then follows with “so I guess, really, the moral to the whole story about the rabbit and the snake is you have to somehow survive, you have to somehow battle back. A lesson well-taught for all of us.”

When I listen to those final two sentences I can’t help but think of how it relates to Nate Bukaty’s journey into sports media, which is a story I heard just a few hours before the news of Scully’s passing on Tuesday night. Granted, Bukaty’s story has nothing to do with something as intense as taking an ax to a live rattlesnake, or even something as heroic as saving a baby rabbit, but his start in the business can be a comparison to the moral of the story, which was overcoming early adversity and battling back.

Bukaty realized in the front seat of his dad’s car in the sixth grade he wanted to be in sports media for a living. An hour before he made that decision, he would have told you he wanted to play the game professionally, instead of broadcasting it. But after his dad quickly pointed out how difficult it was going to be for him to be a pro athlete with a very to-the-point conversation, Bukaty turned his decision to the guys calling the Kansas City Royals game on the radio. His dad didn’t fight back at that aspiration. The father and son then spent the entire rest of the car ride discussing what it would take to achieve his newfound dream.

The dream persisted through junior high, high school, and even upon the decision to attend The University of Kansas. For over six years, Bukaty never re-considered what he wanted to pursue for his future. He made the decision long ago that he was going to broadcast games. But during one of his first days on campus at KU, his first major roadblock hit. 

“I met with the sportscasting professor and he told me I would never make it in the business because my voice was too high,” said Bukaty. “It was my childhood dream since I was in 6th grade and the professor told me the first day on campus I was never going to make it. I was pretty devastated by that for a day.”

This wasn’t a criticism an aspiring broadcaster normally gets. It was something completely out of Bukaty’s control. His voice wasn’t something he could change. Most, probably, would have changed their major as quickly as possible, but Bukaty didn’t. Instead, he remembered a time he overcame adversity by being cut from the high school basketball team his sophomore year, only to be a starter on varsity his senior season. He was ready to overcome adversity again. 

“I just went back to him and said, ‘well, I’m going to give this a shot, with your help or without’, “ Bukaty said. 

But this isn’t a story where the young kid tells the professor he’s going to do it anyway, and easily finds himself in the future as the voice of a Major League Soccer team and 18-plus year veteran at Sports Radio 810 in Kansas City. No, there’s more adversity to come in this story and it happened less than three years later.

Bukaty was now a junior at KU and the reality of how hard it was going to be to make a career in broadcasting was settling in. He was applying for internships and realized there were all kinds of people working for free. The thought of finding a way to get paid for one was starting to become overwhelming. 

His morale was starting to sink as he expressed his frustration over dinner with a friend that also attended KU. Bukaty even told him he may try to attend grad school to become a history professor or even a lawyer.

“I’m just looking at the odds and how hard it is to get a foothold in this business of sports broadcasting, especially since I don’t have any connections or anything,” Bukaty told his friend. “I think I find those other things interesting enough to be happy doing it.”

The next thing that was said is something Bukaty will never forget. You could even argue it set the tone for the rest of his professional career.

“He chewed me out and told me, how dare you give up on your dreams before you even give it a shot,” Bukaty said. “He told me I’d regret it for the rest of my life if I didn’t at least give it a shot.”

It was the exact push Bukaty needed to refocus. It was made clear to him he could go back to law school at any time, but his dream was something he needed to chase. 

“Don’t sell yourself short,” Bukaty remembered his friend saying to him. “That’s the sentence I remember he kept saying. That really helped me refocus and realize, yeah, this is what I have wanted to do since I was a kid and I shouldn’t give up on it. I’m going to keep going.”

It’s a moment Bukaty hasn’t shared very much over the years. But there’s no denying the incredible impact it had on him. From that moment, he’s never looked back. 

The funny thing is the friend that shared incredible wisdom with him that day had no intentions of going to college while he and Bukaty were in high school. The only reason Bukaty convinced him to come to The University of Kansas was because he turned his friend into a huge KU basketball fan. Without the Jayhawks fandom, there’s a great chance that distinct conversation never happens. 

But that’s not the end of the incredible interaction that night with Bukaty and his friend. 

“That night, he also said, here’s what’s going to happen: You’re going to become a successful sports broadcaster and I’m going to become a sports historian and I’m going to write a book on you someday.”

His prediction was nearly spot on. Amongst many other incredible jobs and titles, Bukaty is the play-by-play voice of Sporting KC and one of the longest-tenured sports talk hosts in Kansas City. His friend is no other than Matt Zeysing, who’s the head curator of the James Naismith Basketball Hall of Fame in Springfield, Mass.

There aren’t any current plans for Zeysing to fulfill the entire prediction and write a book on Bukaty’s career, but if he wanted to, he could probably write a best-seller on just the night the two shared inside a bar in Lawrence. Regardless, it was an incredible prediction that had a lasting impact on Bukaty’s career.

And about the professor who told Bukaty his voice was too high to be in the business? It was that same person who got him a radio job in Moberly, MO. Talk about a redemption story. 

Bukaty’s career story combines overcoming adversity, living out a dream, and getting outside his comfort zone to realize new passions and talents. Calling Major League Soccer games for Sporting Kansas City is truly a dream come true for him. Play-by-play was always his first love and getting to realize that dream is one that he never takes for granted. Even if that means getting home after a game at 11:30 at night and having to do a morning drive radio show the next day at 6:00 a.m.

“My sleep schedule is a complete nightmare,” laughed Bukaty. “After a game, I cannot go to sleep. Say it’s a Wednesday game and I get home around 11:30, I’ll go for a three-mile run around my neighborhood. That does wonders. I feel three really good hours of sleep is better than four hours of tossing and turning and not turning your brain off.”

Bukaty has always challenged himself to get out of his comfort zone. That’s originally how he started in sports radio at 810 WHB. He listened to sports radio, but it wasn’t something he was immediately drawn to as an opportunity. Bukaty saw it more as a forum where hot takes were consistently lived, which wasn’t his broadcast style.

“I came to talk radio reluctantly,” said Bukaty.

The human drama and the amazing feats of athleticism were things that interested Bukaty far more than a hot take. 

“I love the storylines of humans overcoming adversity and achieving hard-fought objectives as teams,” said Bukaty. “I love the emotional connection between the team and their fans. I didn’t love sports because of the hot take.”

That’s what makes Bukaty’s sports radio career so impressive. He’s seen the beginning and the rise of the industry, yet, he’s never changed who he is on the air. Regardless of how the business has changed, he’s never let the style of other broadcasters change the way he wants to do a show. 

“What makes it easy for me is that my co-host, Steven St. John, drives the show,” said Bukaty. “And that’s the way it should be because he connects with the sports fans in Kansas City better than any person in sports talk radio and maybe better than any media member in town.”

Bukaty has a career that the young version of himself at KU would only dream about. Who knows, just like he made the decision to broadcast games in the front seat of his dad’s car while listening to a Royals game, maybe he’s helped a kid in Kansas City realize play-by-play is what they want to do. But one thing is for sure, Bukaty isn’t done getting out of his comfort zone to make himself better. That’s why he’s now calling MMA events. And it’s why he could accomplish even greater things in the future. 

“I’ve always tried to make it a habit to get outside my comfort zone and say yes to things that seem a little uncomfortable,” said Bukaty. “Every time I’ve ever done that I’m glad because it’s made me grow professionally or as a person.”

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