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The Art Of The Guest Hit

“You have to remember on their end they’re preparing another question. A lot of times being too short can come off as a little rude, even when it’s not intentional.”

Jack Ferris




Treat yourself to a little game of word association with any sports media veteran and drop “Super Bowl Radio Row,” on them.  If it’s not “chaotic,” you’ll surely get a synonym.

It’s one of the industry’s greatest traditions.  Hundreds of hosts representing dozens of markets grouped together for a full week leading up to America’s signature sporting event.  

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Like fishermen casting into a stocked lake, producers reel in as many Hall of Famers and A List actors as their show clock allows.  These prized guests don’t have much to do by way of prep.  A Joe Montana has to describe how he’s torn with the upcoming showdown, share an anecdote or two from the playing days and plug a product before moving onto another microphone.  Famed Texas supporter Matthew McConaughey just has to tell you how tough it is to root for a Red Raider in Patrick Mahomes before chatting about his Guy Ritchie movie.  

The guests who don’t own a gold jacket or have their name in lights somewhere are on Radio Row because of their knowledge of this particular matchup or the game in general.  They are professional radio guests – and they’ve mastered the art of the 5-10 minute hit.

“I don’t look at the game as complex, I see it as detailed,” declares 40 year NFL employee Greg Cosell.

Cosell’s storied career as an analyst for America’s game has made him a solid booking on radio row for decades.  He’s able to talk Xs and Os as well as anyone in the business.  Ask him what makes Shanahan’s rushing attack so effective and he’ll outline a number of reasons in a bite sized manner for the audience.  There’s no football question Cosell is ill-prepared to answer, but tee him up on a coaching rumor question at your own risk.

“I don’t do speculation,” insists the New York native.

“People who have me on have me on to talk about what happens between the white lines.  Anything outside of that is not my concern.”

Cosell’s no nonsense approach to the radio hit is refreshing in an industry filled with take makers and opinion shapers.

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“If you host a radio show, chances are you got there because of your ability to voice your opinions,” explains Paul Charchian.

“As a radio guest, you can use that to your advantage.”

When it comes to the radio hit – Charchian knows what he’s talking about.  The Fantasy Football Weekly host does a minimum of 18 hits on a number of stations around the country every week.

“If you don’t know the hosts, check out their twitter feed before you go on the show.  Get a feel for where they stand on certain stories.”

Charchian believes a little bit of preparation goes a long way before dialing into a station.  Not content prep – you were invited onto the show because your lifestyle makes you an authority on the talking points the hosts are going to serve up.  There’s not much work to be done on that front.  Rather, Paul challenges guests to stream the show before going on.  Getting a feel for the pace, rhythm and vibe of the hosts can make a huge difference in how you offer up your information.

“Even better, call the station a segment early and ask the producer to keep you on hold.  Then you’ve made the producer happy that you’re standing by and you have a clear idea about the tone of the show.”


If you disagree with the hosts?  Great.

“You should never be afraid of conflict.  A lot of times hosts and guests go out of their way to agree with each other.  Conflict is great radio!”

Nothing moves the needle like a good old fashioned argument, and nothing gets the juices flowing like a healthy wager on game day.

As the national stigma surrounding sports gambling has melted in recent years, the demand for Vegas insiders as guests has surged – allowing us more and more opportunities to hear from Joe Fortenbaugh.

When he’s not hosting Joe, Lo and Dibs on 95.7 The Game in San Francisco, you can spot Fortenbaugh contributing to ESPN’s Daily Wager.  Anyone reading this understands there are significant differences between radio and television when it comes to guest spots – not the least of which is timing.

“When you’re fielding questions on TV, you have to offer up all your good stuff in about 30 seconds.  You want to have an informed response and allow the host to ask a follow up or move onto something else.  Radio – you have a little more room,” describes Fortenbaugh. 

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“As a host, I don’t mind if a guest goes 60-90 seconds on an answer as long as it’s good information.  If it’s a two minute answer with a lot of ‘uhs’ and ‘ums,’ I’ll be looking to move on.”

As a gambling expert and a member of the Bay Area media, Joe finds himself in a unique position this week in Miami.  He expects his time will be split evenly as a betting guest and a Niners insider – when he’s not hosting his own four hour show.

While Fortenbaugh’s schedule will be stacked in South Beach, it almost looks light compared to some of the weeks Chris Landry’s had.

90-95.  That’s Landry’s estimate as to how many guest hits the college football expert was doing in the final 7 days before each NFL Draft in the mid 2000s.  

“Obviously I’ve dialed it back since those days.  That was draining,” he admits today.

At the time, Landry was the go-to-guy for college football on Fox Sports Radio.  Just about anytime an affiliate needed a draft guest – Chris got a call.  

Landry has worn just about every hat one can wear in the game of football.  His experience as a coach, scout and administrator in college and the NFL make him an ideal guest on a number of subjects.  When it comes to self evaluation as a guest, he doesn’t pull any punches.

“I would say I have the disease of going into great detail,” Landry jokes.

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Landry recognizes the value of clear and concise answers, but he warns guests of being too short.

“You never want to wrap up too quickly and put the host in a tough situation.  You have to remember on their end they’re preparing another question.  A lot of times being too short can come off as a little rude, even when it’s not intentional.”

Whether you love it or loathe it – you can’t deny radio row at the Super Bowl is an absolute spectacle.  Hopefully this year, when you’re not listening to Rocket Mortgage pitches or SeatGeek promo codes, you identify a guest who has perfected the art of the 5-10 minute hit.

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The Future Is Now, Embrace Amazon Prime Video, AppleTV+

As annoying as streaming sports is and as much as I haven’t fully adapted to the habit yet, Amazon and Apple have done a magnificent job of trying to make the process as easy and simplified as possible.

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This week has been a reckoning for sports and its streaming future on Amazon Prime Video, AppleTV+, ESPN+, and more.

Amazon announced that Thursday Night Football, which averaged 13 million viewers, generated the highest number of U.S. sign ups over a three hour period in the app’s history. More people in the United States subscribed to Prime during the September 15th broadcast than they did during Black Friday, Prime Day, and Cyber Monday. It was also “the most watched night of primetime in Prime Video’s history,” according to Amazon executive Jay Marine. The NFL and sports in general have the power to move mountains even for some of the nation’s biggest and most successful brands.

This leads us to the conversation happening surrounding Aaron Judge’s chase for history. Judge has been in pursuit of former major leaguer Roger Maris’ record for the most home runs hit during one season in American League history.

The sports world has turned its attention to the Yankees causing national rights holders such as ESPN, Fox, and TBS to pick up extra games in hopes that they capture the moment history is made. Apple TV+ also happened to have a Yankees game scheduled for Friday night against the Red Sox right in the middle of this chase for glory.

Baseball fans have been wildin’ out at the prospects of missing the grand moment when Judge passes Maris or even the moments afterwards as Judge chases home run number 70 and tries to truly create monumental history of his own. The New York Post’s Andrew Marchand has even reported there were talks between YES, MLB, and Apple to bring Michael Kay into Apple’s broadcast to call the game, allow YES Network to air its own production of the game, or allow YES Network to simulcast Apple TV+’s broadcast. In my opinion, all of this hysteria is extremely bogus.

As annoying as streaming sports is and as much as I haven’t fully adapted to the habit yet, Amazon and Apple have done a magnificent job of trying to make the process as easy and simplified as possible. Amazon brought in NBC to help with production of TNF and if you watch the flow of the broadcast, the graphics of the broadcast, NBC personalities like Michael Smith, Al Michaels, and Terry McAuliffe make appearances on the telecast – it is very clear that the network’s imprint is all over the show.

NBC’s experience in conducting the broadcast has made the viewing experience much more seamless. Apple has also used MLB Network and its personalities for assistance in ensuring there’s no major difference between what you see on air vs. what you’re streaming.

Amazon and Apple have also decided to not hide their games behind a paywall. Since the beginning of the season, all of Apple’s games have been available free of charge. No subscription has ever been required. As long as you have an Apple device and can download Apple TV+, you can watch their MLB package this season.

Guess what? Friday’s game against the Red Sox is also available for free on your iPhone, your laptop, or your TV simply by downloading the AppleTV app. Amazon will also simulcast all Thursday Night Football games on Twitch for free. It may be a little harder or confusing to find the free options, but they are out there and they are legal and, once again, they are free.

Apple has invested $85 million into baseball, money that will go towards your team becoming better hypothetically. They’ve invested money towards creating a new kind of streaming experience. Why in the hell would they offer YES Network this game for free? There’s no better way for them to drive subscriptions to their product than by offering fans a chance at watching history on their platform.

A moment like this are the main reason Apple paid for rights in the first place. When Apple sees what the NFL has done for Amazon in just one week and coincidentally has the ability to broadcast one of the biggest moments in baseball history – it would be a terrible business decision to let viewers watch it outside of the Apple ecosystem and lose the ability to gain new fans.

It’s time for sports fans to grow up and face reality. Streaming is here to stay. 

MLB Network is another option

If you don’t feel like going through the hassle of watching the Yankees take on the Red Sox for free on Apple TV+, MLB Network will also air all of Judge’s at bats live as they are happening. In case the moment doesn’t happen on Apple TV+ on Friday night, Judge’s next games will air in full on MLB Network (Saturday), ESPN (Sunday), MLB Network again (Monday), TBS (Tuesday) and MLB Network for a third time on Wednesday. All of MLB Network’s games will be simulcast of YES Network’s local New York broadcast. It wouldn’t shock me to see Fox pick up another game next Thursday if the pursuit still maintains national interest.

Quick bites

  • One of the weirdest things about the experience of streaming sports is that you lose the desire to channel surf. Is that a good thing or bad thing? Brandon Ross of LightShed Ventures wonders if the difficulty that comes with going from app to app will help Amazon keep viewers on TNF the entire time no matter what the score of the game is. If it does, Amazon needs to work on developing programming to surround the games or start replaying the games, pre and post shows so that when you fall asleep and wake up you’re still on the same stream on Prime Video or so that coming to Prime Video for sports becomes just as much of a habit for fans as tuning in to ESPN is.
  • CNN has announced the launch of a new morning show with Don Lemon, Poppy Harlow and Kaitlin Collins. Variety reports, “Two people familiar with plans for the show say it is likely to use big Warner Bros. properties — a visit from the cast of HBO’s Succession or sports analysis from TNT’s NBA crew — to lure eyeballs.” It’ll be interesting to see if Turner Sports becomes a cornerstone of this broadcast. Will the NBA start doing schedule releases during the show? Will a big Taylor Rooks interview debut on this show before it appears on B/R? Will the Stanley Cup or Final Four MVP do an interview on CNN’s show the morning after winning the title? Does the show do remote broadcasts from Turner’s biggest sports events throughout the year?
  • The Clippers are back on over the air television. They announced a deal with Nexstar to broadcast games on KTLA and other Nexstar owned affiliates in California. The team hasn’t reached a deal to air games on Bally Sports SoCal or Bally Sports Plus for the upcoming season. Could the Clippers pursue a solo route and start their own OTT service in time for the season? Are they talking to Apple, Amazon, or ESPN about a local streaming deal? Is Spectrum a possible destination? I think these are all possibilities but its likely that the Clippers end up back on Bally Sports since its the status quo. I just find it interesting that it has taken so long to solidify an agreement and that it wasn’t announced in conjunction with the KTLA deal. The Clippers are finally healthy this season, moving into a new arena soon, have the technology via Second Spectrum to produce immersive game casts. Maybe something is brewing?
  • ESPN’s Monday Night Football double box was a great concept. The execution sucked. Kudos to ESPN for adjusting on the fly once complaints began to lodge across social media. I think the double box works as a separate feed. ESPN2 should’ve been the home to the double box. SVP and Stanford Steve could’ve held a watch party from ESPN’s DC studio with special guests. The double box watch party on ESPN2 could’ve been interrupted whenever SVP was giving an update on games for ESPN and ABC. It would give ESPN2 a bit of a behind the scenes look at how the magic happens similarly to what MLB Tonight did last week. Credit to ESPN and the NFL for experimenting and continuing to try and give fans unique experiences.

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ESPN Shows Foresight With Monday Night Football Doubleheader Timing

ESPN is obviously testing something, and it’s worth poking around at why the network wouldn’t follow the schedule it has used for the last 16 years, scheduling kickoffs at 7 and then 10 on their primary channel.

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The Monday Night Football doubleheader was a little bit different this time around for ESPN.

First, it came in Week 2 instead of Week 1. And then, the games were staggered 75 minutes apart on two different channels, the Titans and Bills beginning on ESPN at 7:15 PM ET and the Vikings at the Eagles starting at 8:30 PM on ABC and ESPN+. This was a departure from the usual schedule in which the games kicked off at 7:00 PM ET and then 10:00 PM ET with the latter game on the West Coast.

ESPN is obviously testing something, and it’s worth poking around at why the network wouldn’t follow the schedule it has used for the last 16 years, scheduling kickoffs at 7:00 PM and then 10:00 PM ET on their primary channel. That’s the typical approach, right? The NFL is the most valuable offering in all of sports and ESPN would have at least six consecutive hours of live programming without any other game to switch to.

Instead, they staggered the starts so the second game kicked off just before the first game reached halftime. They placed the games on two different channels, which risked cannibalizing their audience. Why? Well, it’s the same reason that ESPN was so excited about the last year’s Manningcast that it’s bringing it back for 10 weeks this season. ESPN is not just recognizing the reality of how their customers behave, but they’re embracing it.

Instead of hoping with everything they have that the customer stays in one place for the duration of the game, they’re recognizing the reality that they will leave and providing another product within their portfolio to be a destination when they do.

It’s the kind of experiment everyone in broadcasting should be investigating because, for all the talk about meeting the customer where they are, we still tend to be a little bit stubborn about adapting to what they do. 

Customers have more choices than ever when it comes to media consumption. First, cable networks softened the distribution advantages of broadcast networks, and now digital offerings have eroded the distribution advantages of cable networks. It’s not quite a free-for-all, but the battle for viewership is more intense, more wide open than ever because that viewer has so many options of not just when and where but how they will consume media.

Programmers have a choice in how to react to this. On the one hand, they can hold on tighter to the existing model and try to squeeze as much out of it as they can. If ESPN was thinking this way it would stack those two Monday night games one after the other just like it always has and hope like hell for a couple of close games to juice the ratings. Why would you make it impossible for your customer to watch both of these products you’ve paid so much to televise?

I’ve heard radio programmers and hosts recite take this same approach for more than 10 years now when it comes to making shows available on-demand. Why would you give your customers the option of consuming the product in a way that’s not as remunerative or in a way that is not measured?

That thinking is outdated and it is dangerous from an economic perspective because it means you’re trying to make the customer behave in your best interest by restricting their choices. And maybe that will work. Maybe they like that program enough that they’ll consume it in the way you’d prefer or maybe they decide that’s inconvenient or annoying or they decide to try something else and now this customer who would have listened to your product in an on-demand format is choosing to listen to someone else’s product entirely.

After all, you’re the only one that is restricting that customer’s choices because you’re the only one with a desire to keep your customer where he is. Everyone else is more than happy to give your customer something else. 

There’s a danger in holding on too tightly to the existing model because the tighter you squeeze, the more customers will slip through your fingers, and if you need a physical demonstration to complete this metaphor go grab a handful of sand and squeeze it hard.

Your business model is only as good as its ability to predict the behavior of your customers, and as soon as it stops doing that, you need to adjust that business model. Don’t just recognize the reality that customers today will exercise the freedom that all these media choices provide, embrace it.

Offer more products. Experiment with more ways to deliver those products. The more you attempt to dictate the terms of your customer’s engagement with your product, the more customers you’ll lose, and by accepting this you’ll open yourself to the reality that if your customer is going to leave your main offering, it’s better to have them hopping to another one of your products as opposed to leaving your network entirely.

Think in terms of depth of engagement, and breadth of experience. That’s clearly what ESPN is doing because conventional thinking would see the Manningcast as a program that competes with the main Monday Night Football broadcast, that cannibalizes it. ESPN sees it as a complimentary experience. An addition to the main broadcast, but it also has the benefit that if the customer feels compelled to jump away from the main broadcast – for whatever reason – it has another ESPN offering that they may land on.

I’ll be watching to see what ESPN decides going forward. The network will have three Monday Night Football doubleheaders beginning next year, and the game times have not been set. Will they line them up back-to-back as they had up until this year? If they do it will be a vote of confidence that its traditional programming approach that evening is still viable. But if they overlap those games going forward, it’s another sign that less is not more when it comes to giving your customers a choice in products.

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Media Noise: Sunday Ticket Has Problems, Marcellus Wiley Does Not

Demetri Ravanos




On this episode of Media Noise, Demetri is joined by Brian Noe to talk about the wild year FS1’s Marcellus Wiley has had and by Garrett Searight to discuss the tumultuous present and bright future of NFL Sunday Ticket.






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