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How Do You Consistently Make Entertaining Content Out of Awful Teams?

“The idea of hosting a talk show can be fun and invigorating. In a market where the only local story is a putrid team is daunting.”

Seth Everett



The NFL Draft is a treasure trove for sports radio. Regardless of the team, every NFL market has a storyline for hosts to debate and discuss with their respective audiences.  That makes this week unique in that every team is involved.

The very nature of a sports draft means that usually, the awful teams have the most going for them.  Jacksonville and the New York Jets had horrible seasons that lead to the high picks they have. “Tank for Trevor” was a phrase that trended on social media in both those markets during the season.

Trevor Lawrence Selected By Jacksonville Jaguars With First Pick In 2021  NFL Draft

Brutal teams actually have the most going for them Draft week.  Still, it raised a question that had many different answers. How does a talk show host continue to provide compelling content amidst a putrid season?

I asked various talk show hosts from different markets across the country and got similar but not completely the same answers.

“It depends on if the town cares about the team,” WFNZ host Nick Wilson said. “When the Charlotte Hornets were awful and listless so much apathy built up in this town that you just try and get traction on the Hornets. It was just unbearable. You just couldn’t get people to care about the Hornets.”

“In the NFL where it’s easier,” said Detroit broadcaster Matt Dery. “when this team was 6-10. 7-9, people are fascinated by what the next moves were. The people are excited, even though Matthew Stafford was very popular, excited to see what a new quarterback will look like for the first time in 11 years, whether it’s Jared Goff or if it’s somebody else.”

Still, there’s a difference when the awful teams are in the NFL as opposed to basketball, baseball, or hockey.

“The Pistons have been hovering around eighth or ninth (place) for years and it was boring,” Dery added. “Now they are a full-fledged rebuild. The worst team in basketball, but they’re exciting. And fans are excited about the lottery. So there is something to bottoming out and getting your fans on board.”

The idea of hosting a talk show can be fun and invigorating.  In a market where the only local story is a putrid team is daunting. Still, the support that a host has can make for a solid talk show.

“We want to do two things,” said Dave “Softy” Mahler, who covers the Mariners at KJR in Seattle.  “Either A) we completely ignore the team or B) we hammer them constantly 24 hours a day, seven days a week. And even at some point that gets old. So it’s a matter of apathy set in. There’s a window of about maybe a month and a half at the start of the year where there’s some hope sometimes accompanied by a decent record like they have now. And when the hope fades, apathy sets in.”

Nate Lundy of Mile High Radio in Denver, Colorado shared similar sentiments.

“The joke in Denver was always that all we needed was for the Rockies to be relevant enough, to get us to training camp,” Lundy explained.

“There’s a saying around here regarding the Mariners, just get us to football,” Mahler echoed. “If they can get us to July when training camp starts, then they’ve done their job. That really is the standard right now for them. And it’s pathetic.”

This concept goes beyond analog sports radio.  Podcasts are affected too.  Dery is the host of the “Locked on Lions” podcast.  I imagined him having to do another podcast about awful teams, day in and day out, year in and year out.

Matt Dery joins men's basketball broadcast team – The Oakland Post

“I’ll say this about the Lions, their fan base is so passionate,” Dery said. “There’s so many of them that have stuck around and they’re loyal. People are dying for a winner here.”

In Denver, two things are helping sports radio.  First, is the vitriol fans have about the recent trade of star 3rd basemen Nolan Arenado to St. Louis.  Rockies’ fans are far from apathetic right now.  Second, Lundy points out, is the fact that the Covid-19 pandemic pushed back the NBA and NHL playoffs.  In a typical year, Denver sports radio would be knee-deep in boring Rockies baseball, there will be a shorter window between the end of hoops and pucks to Broncos OTAs and mini-camp.

“There’s always a storyline,” Lundy added. “If you know where to look, I think that if you’ve got a good producer, a good program director, there’s someone that can help you find that story.”

Nate Lundy Exits KKFN (104.3 The Fan)/Denver Morning Show, To Remain PD |

“The Mariners have been such a non-factor for so many years, we don’t even know what it’s like in the middle of the summer to be excited about baseball,” Mahler added. “It’s been 21 years (since the M’s made the playoffs, also since I left Seattle). Think about what’s happened in your life in 21 years.”

Being a fan awful teams is tough.  Being a talk show host that has to make interesting radio about a bad team could be an uphill battle. Consider this, even if a host finds those storylines to make for entertaining radio, people may tune out of sports radio altogether just to stop the constant reminders of how bad that team actually is.

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Being Wrong On-Air Isn’t A Bad Thing

…if you feel yourself getting uncomfortable over the fact that you were wrong, stop to realize that’s your pride talking. Your ego. And if people call you out for being wrong, it’s actually a good sign.




In the press conference after the Warriors won their fourth NBA title in eight years, Steph Curry referenced a very specific gesture from a very specific episode of Get Up that aired in August 2021.

“Clearly remember some experts and talking heads putting up the big zero,” Curry said, then holding up a hollowed fist to one eye, looking through it as if it were a telescope.

“How many championships we would have going forward because of everything we went through.”

Yep, Kendrick Perkins and Domonique Foxworth each predicted the Warriors wouldn’t win a single title over the course of the four-year extension Curry had just signed. The Warriors won the NBA title and guess what? Curry gets to gloat.

The funny part to me was the people who felt Perkins or Foxworth should be mad or embarrassed. Why? Because they were wrong?

That’s part of the game. If you’re a host or analyst who is never wrong in a prediction, it’s more likely that you’re excruciatingly boring than exceedingly smart. Being wrong is not necessarily fun, but it’s not a bad thing in this business.

You shouldn’t try to be wrong, but you shouldn’t be afraid of it, either. And if you are wrong, own it. Hold your L as I’ve heard the kids say. Don’t try to minimize it or explain it or try to point out how many other people are wrong, too. Do what Kendrick Perkins did on Get Up the day after the Warriors won the title.

“When they go on to win it, guess what?” He said, sitting next to Mike Greenberg. “You have to eat that.”

Do not do what Perkins did later that morning on First Take.

Perkins: “I come on here and it’s cool, right? Y’all can pull up Perk receipts and things to that nature. And then you give other people a pass like J-Will.”

Jason Williams: “I don’t get passes on this show.”

Perkins: “You had to, you had a receipt, too, because me and you both picked the Memphis Grizzlies to beat the Golden State Warriors, but I’m OK with that. I’m OK with that. Go ahead Stephen A. I know you’re about to have fun and do your thing. Go ahead.”

Stephen A. Smith: “First of all, I’m going to get serious for a second with the both of you, especially you, Perk, and I want to tell you something right now. Let me throw myself on Front Street, we can sit up there and make fun of me. You know how many damn Finals predictions I got wrong? I don’t give a damn. I mean, I got a whole bunch of them wrong. Ain’t no reason to come on the air and defend yourself. Perk, listen man. You were wrong. And we making fun, and Steph Curry making fun of you. You laugh at that my brother. He got you today. That’s all. He got you today.”

It’s absolutely great advice, and if you feel yourself getting uncomfortable over the fact that you were wrong, stop to realize that’s your pride talking. Your ego. And if people call you out for being wrong, it’s actually a good sign. It means they’re not just listening, but holding on to what you say. You matter. Don’t ruin that by getting defensive and testy.


I did a double-take when I saw Chris Russo’s list of the greatest QB-TE combinations ever on Wednesday and this was before I ever got to Tom Brady-to-Rob Gronkowski listed at No. 5. It was actually No. 4 that stopped me cold: Starr-Kramer.

My first thought: Jerry Kramer didn’t play tight end.

My second thought: I must be unaware of this really good tight end from the Lombardi-era Packers.

After further review, I don’t think that’s necessarily true, either. Ron Kramer did play for the Lombardi-era Packers, and he was a good player. He caught 14 scoring passes in a three-year stretch where he really mattered, but he failed to catch a single touchdown pass in six of the 10 NFL seasons he played. He was named first-team All-Pro once and finished his career with 229 receptions.

Now this is not the only reason that this is an absolutely terrible list. It is the most egregious, however. Bart Starr and Kramer are not among the 25 top QB-TE combinations in NFL history let alone the top five. And if you’re to believe Russo’s list, eighty percent of the top tandems played in the NFL in the 30-year window from 1958 to 1987 with only one tandem from the past 30 years meriting inclusion when this is the era in which tight end production has steadily climbed.

Then I found out that Russo is making $10,000 per appearance on “First Take.”

My first thought: You don’t have to pay that much to get a 60-something white guy to grossly exaggerate how great stuff used to be.

My second thought: That might be the best $10,000 ESPN has ever spent.

Once a week, Russo comes on and draws a reaction out of a younger demographic by playing a good-natured version of Dana Carvey’s Grumpy Old Man. Russo groans to JJ Redick about the lack of fundamental basketball skills in today’s game or he proclaims the majesty of a tight end-quarterback pairing that was among the top five in its decade, but doesn’t sniff the top five of all-time.

And guess what? It works. Redick rolls his eyes, asks Russo which game he’s watching, and on Wednesday he got me to spend a good 25 minutes looking up statistics for some Packers tight end I’d never heard of. Not satisfied with that, I then moved on to determine Russo’s biggest omission from the list, which I’ve concluded is Philip Rivers and Antonio Gates, who connected for 89 touchdowns over 15 seasons, which is only 73 more touchdowns than Kramer scored in his career. John Elway and Shannon Sharpe should be on there, too.

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Money Isn’t The Key Reason Why Sellers Sell Sports Radio

I started selling sports radio because I enjoyed working with clients who loved sports, our station, and wanted to reach fans with our commercials and promotions.

Jeff Caves



Radio Sales

A radio salesperson’s value being purely tied to money is overrated to me. Our managers all believe that our main motivation for selling radio is to make more money. They see no problem in asking us to sell more in various ways because it increases our paycheck. We are offered more money to sell digital, NTR, to sell another station in the cluster, weekend remotes, new direct business, or via the phone in 8 hours. 

But is that why you sell sports radio?

In 2022, the Top 10 highest paying sales jobs are all in technology. Not a media company among them. You could argue that if it were all about making money, we should quit and work in tech. Famous bank robber Willie Sutton was asked why he robbed twenty banks over twenty years. He reportedly said,” that’s where the money is”. Sutton is the classic example of a person who wanted what money could provide and was willing to do whatever it took to get it, BUT he also admitted he liked robbing banks and felt alive. So, Sutton didn’t do it just for the money.

A salesperson’s relationship with money and prestige is also at the center of the play Death of a Salesman. Willy Loman is an aging and failing salesman who decides he is worth more dead than alive and kills himself in an auto accident giving his family the death benefit from his life insurance policy. Loman wasn’t working for the money. He wanted the prestige of what money could buy for himself and his family. 

Recently, I met a woman who spent twelve years selling radio from 1999-2011. I asked her why she left her senior sales job. She said she didn’t like the changes in the industry. Consolidation was at its peak, and most salespeople were asked to do more with less help. She described her radio sales job as one with “golden handcuffs”. The station paid her too much money to quit even though she hated the job. She finally quit. The job wasn’t worth the money to her.

I started selling sports radio because I enjoyed working with clients who loved sports, our station, and wanted to reach fans with our commercials and promotions. I never wanted to sell anything else and specifically enjoyed selling programming centered around reaching fans of Boise State University football. That’s it. Very similar to what Mark Glynn and his KJR staff experience when selling Kraken hockey and Huskies football.  

I never thought selling sports radio was the best way to make money. I just enjoyed the way I could make money. I focused on the process and what I enjoyed about the position—the freedom to come and go and set my schedule for the most part. I concentrated on annual contracts and clients who wanted to run radio commercials over the air to get more traffic and build their brand.

Most of my clients were local direct and listened to the station. Some other sales initiatives had steep learning curves, were one-day events or contracted out shaky support staff. In other words, the money didn’t motivate me enough. How I spent my time was more important. 

So, if you are in management, maybe consider why your sales staff is working at the station. Because to me, they’d be robbing banks if it were all about making lots of money.  

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Media Noise: BSM Podcast Network Round Table



Demetri Ravanos welcomes the two newest members of the BSM Podcast Network to the show. Brady Farkas and Stephen Strom join for a roundtable discussion that includes the new media, Sage Steele and Roger Goodell telling Congress that Dave Portnoy isn’t banned from NFL events.

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